How do you feel about persuasion?

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 #61
Gary Boye

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith
Gary and Ed, is your sequence, system, or procedures different depending on if you are "Selling" versus "Persuading"?
My thought patterns remain pretty much the same as does my role as an "observer".

 #62
Agent Smith

Thank you Gary and Ed for sharing your thoughts.

 #63
BossMan

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Originally Posted by Ed Callais
In the selling process, facts are dominant. Questions are geared more to "what is" and "how does".

In the persuasive process, it is more of "what do you think?" and "Is there something you like about the product?".
I like the way you put that. It's tidy.

 #64
MitchM
What I Do!

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Originally Posted by BossMan
I like the way you put that. It's tidy.
I use nothing you'd call persuasive as in doing my best to get someone to do something - I spent some years doing things, saying things persuasively and I got tired of it. I began spending my time looking for people who wanted what I have wasting no time on techniques or tactics to get them to want it, to find their need or pain. At the same time I read a book that was a mirror image of the direction I was beginning to go and it gave me more help which I continue to learn.

 #65
SpeedRacer

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Originally Posted by BossMan
I can tell you what I do. Actually I already have. See post #18 and #23. It might not be much of a system but it works and works quite well.

For what it's worth, the reason I asked about a "Non-persuasive" selling system is because I can't for the life of me imagine a skilled salesperson doing something different than what I described. I too am all ears. If someone has a system that is different than the one I use.
I would be interested in hearing of any system that doesn't follow the structure you outlined. Is there such a system?

 #66
WobblyBox

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith
How do you feel about persuasion? When selling, is trying to persuade someone ethical, immoral, what?
Why do you ask? Did someone say something about me? (Looking in both directions)

Influence/ Pesuasion are woven into everything we see and do. Don't fight it.

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 #67
Gary Boye

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacer
I would be interested in hearing of any system that doesn't follow the structure you outlined. Is there such a system?
Yes.

Up until the advent of consultative selling, most "systems", primative as they were, were from a first person (position) perspective. The concentration was on proactively initiating elements of persuasion to influence an almost faceless second person with little regard for examining the unique circumstances of that second person.

Consultative selling, which includes methodologies like SPIN (Rackham) or Buying Facilitation (Morgen), and the work of Hanan and others, were from a second person (position) perspective. The idea has been to focus on the unique circumstances of the prospect (the second position) and implement strategies which were inherent in the system.

There is a more advanced methodology which works from a third position perpective. In effect, the individual doing the selling is playing two roles, that of the implementer of sales strategy and tactics, and, that of observer of both first and second position.

Admittedly, many journeymen salespeople are observant and objective. But selling from the third position perspective is literally that. You are observing and directing the scenario from a feedback-response vantage point--like a mouse in the corner.

I don't know if such a system could be easily taught. I don't believe it could.

 #68
SpeedRacer

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Originally Posted by Gary Boye
There is a more advanced methodology which works from a third position perpective. In effect, the individual doing the selling is playing two roles, that of the implementer of sales strategy and tactics, and, that of observer of both first and second position.

Admittedly, many journeymen salespeople are observant and objective. But selling from the third position perspective is literally that. You are observing and directing the scenario from a feedback-response vantage point--like a mouse in the corner.

I don't know if such a system could be easily taught. I don't believe it could.
Is this "third position" perspective similar to being "detached"?

 #69
Gary Boye

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacer
Is this "third position" perspective similar to being "detached"?
No--I don't think so. It requires a lot of focus and although detached is not the opposite of focused I would be hesitant to describe the perspective in that way.

 #70
SpeedRacer

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Originally Posted by Gary Boye
No--I don't think so. It requires a lot of focus and although detached is not the opposite of focused I would be hesitant to describe the perspective in that way.
Okay, let me change my terminology and elaborate a bit.

The salesperson holds the position of the observer [third position], which is not unlike the position of a sales manager sitting in on (observing) a sales call.

The salesperson simultaneously holds the position of the consultant [second position] who is actively engaged in the ebb and flow of the sales call all the while exposing and utilizing opportunities for a sale.

Finally, the salesperson is holding the position of the promoter [first position] who's focus is on pushing his/her agenda.

Am I close?



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