The Human Factor

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Mitch, this is not intrinsic. I am talking about sincerity. A hussler can come home from a hard day's work swindling people by lying to them to get what he wants/needs and then use the money to care for his crippled mother. Is he sincere or not? During the day with his "victims?" No. With his mother whom he loves? Yes.

You can move from sincerity to insincerity, at any time. It is only a state of mind based on what is in your heart at that moment. When I stated that you have it or you don't, I meant AT THAT MOMENT-- NOT FOREVER!

Sincerity can also be learned - it's a character trait which also means it's cultural as well as parential and educational.

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Originally Posted by MitchM

Sincerity can also be learned - it's a character trait which also means it's cultural as well as parential and educational.

Yeah, ok

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, ok

Rainmaker, can you discuss this or is it just yeah ok? What is the source of this human quality sincerity in your opinion?

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Originally Posted by MitchM

Rainmaker, can you discuss this or is it just yeah ok? What is the source of this human quality sincerity in your opinion?

Honestly, Mitch, I dont' have the desire to discuss it further. I posted a comment on the meaning and helpfullness that I derived from some advice I received from Gary Boye, which prompted SalesGuy to ask me to elaborate on it on a new thread, which I have now done.

I am not a sales trainer. I am not an educator. I have not studied psychology or human nature to any great extent. Frankly, I don't know a heck of alot about anything, Mitch. I can only share my own experiences, which I do openly. The good. The bad. And the ugly.

That's all I got, Bub.

Also, I love how you quote songs in your post titles. This is my first song title, but I did that one just for you.

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Honestly, Mitch, I dont' have the desire to discuss it further. I posted a comment on the meaning and helpfullness that I derived from some advice I received from Gary Boye, which prompted SalesGuy to ask me to elaborate on it on a new thread, which I have now done.

I am not a sales trainer. I am not an educator. I have not studied psychology or human nature to any great extent. Frankly, I don't know a heck of alot about anything, Mitch. I can only share my own experiences, which I do openly. The good. The bad. And the ugly.

That's all I got, Bub.

Also, I love how you quote songs in your post titles. This is my first song title, but I did that one just for you.

Are you being sincere about all that, rainmaker? I have been sincere.

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Originally Posted by MitchM

Are you being sincere about all that, rainmaker? I have been sincere.

Mitch, I can be a bit a smart aleck, sometimes, but I am very sincere. I really don't have more to add to this thread beyond what I have said. I wasn't prepared to delve so deeply but only to elaborate on what I meant in my previous post to Gary. I am not prepared to defend my position because I dont' really have a position--only my own take on a piece of advice I received from Gary that was very useful to me.

...And I'm really frustrated with myself for not being clever enough to come up with another song title for this post.

Speaking of songs, what music did you play on that guitar of yours? I went to a party once and the host, after having many cocktails, got out his guitar and starting singing. He was amazed to learn that I knew the words and could sing along to every John Denver, Jim Croce, Eagles, and Harry Chapin song he sang (and although I didn't actually know much by Bob Dylan, I could do a pretty good imitation of him). We've been great friends ever since.
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Let it be known that because this is MY THREAD, I can change with subject without being accused of hijacking. (I read that in Official Thread Rulebook put out by Milton Bradley--many don't realize this, but they are actually the governing body over the thread police.)

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Mitch, I can be a bit a smart aleck, sometimes, but I am very sincere. I really don't have more to add to this thread beyond what I have said. I wasn't prepared to delve so deeply but only to elaborate on what I meant in my previous post to Gary. I am not prepared to defend my position because I dont' really have a position--only my own take on a piece of advice I received from Gary that was very useful to me.

...And I'm really frustrated with myself for not being clever enough to come up with another song title for this post.

Speaking of songs, what music did you play on that guitar of yours? I went to a party once and the host, after having many cocktails, got out his guitar and starting singing. He was amazed to learn that I knew the words and could sing along to every John Denver, Jim Croce, Eagles, and Harry Chapin song he sang (and although I didn't actually know much by Bob Dylan, I could do a pretty good imitation of him). We've been great friends ever since.
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Let it be known that because this is MY THREAD, I can change with subject without being accused of hijacking. (I read that in Official Thread Rulebook put out by Milton Bradley--many don't realize this, but they are actually the governing body over the thread police.)

rainmaker - I'm not being smart aleck or confrontational - what you said struck me as something I needed to ask about for clarification - when that's happened to me and I haven't had a satisfactory answer [for myself] it's produced sometimes long suffering and other times short discomfort in coming to terms with my terms - always for some good - that's the spirit I've been questioning in - nothing more.

Those are some talented song writers you mentioned - I play little odds and ends from the silver threads and one-of-a-kind rags and rewritten phrases of popular and mostly forgotten song writers and poets:

"The blues jumped a rabbit
rode him a solid mile
brought him down kicking
screaming like a new born child" - Blind Willie McTell

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Originally Posted by MitchM

Sincerity can also be learned - it's a character trait which also means it's cultural as well as parential and educational.

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Originally Posted by MitchM

Rainmaker, can you discuss this or is it just yeah ok? What is the source of this human quality sincerity in your opinion?

Mitch, if you really want to know what I THINK..HERE IT IS: I BELIEVE IT TO BE FROM GOD--THE SOURCE OF ALL HUMANITY.

That is what I believe--which is the question that you asked. I have no intention nor desire to bring up or discuss in any way religious ideology.

Let me put it to you this way--Gary if you are reading this, close your eyes, here comes another story--music is something that is very dear to me and to you as well.

I have no formal training and have never studied music. In contrast, I have a friend who is a beautiful soprano. She sings primarily classical music. Everyone just LOVES her voice. In high school we both sang in the same church group. She was a spotlight singer. I solo'd only occasionally--ususally much smaller parts.

Much to my surprise, I had people approach and confide in me that they always enjoyed my solos more than hers and why didn't I sing more?

I can assure you, Mitch, it is not because my vocal talent exceeds hers.

Ther reason for this was because she sang beautiful resonating pear-shaped tones with perfect pitch. She hit every note right on target, just as it was written.

I don't sing pitches and tones and perfect quality notes. I sing words. Words make me feel. I sing what I feel. I try to make the listeners feel it too. For me music is all about FEELING and VERy LITTLE about notes.

FOR ME, sincerity comes from inside. It is gutteral. It simply is. It is part of our humanity. It seperates us from the animal kingdom. I do not believe you can have sincerity without somehow feeling it. I do not claim to understand the source of it.

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Originally Posted by MitchM

rainmaker - I'm not being smart aleck or confrontational - what you said struck me as something I needed to ask about for clarification - when that's happened to me and I haven't had a satisfactory answer [for myself] it's produced sometimes long suffering and other times short discomfort in coming to terms with my terms - always for some good - that's the spirit I've been questioning in - nothing more.

Those are some talented song writers you mentioned - I play little odds and ends from the silver threads and one-of-a-kind rags and rewritten phrases of popular and mostly forgotten song writers and poets:

"The blues jumped a rabbit
rode him a solid mile
brought him down kicking
screaming like a new born child" - Blind Willie McTell

Because you are so sincere in your request for me to answer your question, I have answered it the best I know how in my previous post (probably not very well...sorry).

Wow, you are over my head in the music department. Please throw out a few artist names, so I can look up their work. I have an insatiable appetite for discovering new music (new to me, that is).

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