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 #31
Sanddollar
Wink 

It does get a commitment however it may be perceived as manipulation by the salesperson which can be very aggravating

I agree on this one I think we all have been here at one point.

 #32
JacquesWerth
Does "Manipulation" Have a Moral Implication?

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Originally Posted by Gary Boye
I have a question for Jacques and BossMan. Is it possible that "manipulation" has a moral implication in this discussion for one and not the other?

Let me qualify that. I ask that question as a proponent of Jacques' method, but also as a person who has taught manipulative selling techniques to people in large and small companies; as one who has used manipulative techniques successfully (a relative term); as a person who appreciates the science of persuasion.

I do not equate manipulation to dishonesty--but I view some forms of manipulation as dishonest.

Is a moral implication getting in the way of understanding here?
Manipulation is a tool that we all use in many different situations and circumstances. It is not dishonest unless it is used to deceive.

Manipulation in selling is (most often) used to slant the facts about the salesperson’s products and services - emphasizing or exaggerating the positives and omitting or denying the negatives. In my opinion, anything short of total disclosure is deception.

I am not a moralist. If the results of using deception got statistically better results than honesty, I might have conducted research on the most effective methods of manipulation.

Robert B. Cialdini wrote an excellent book on the subject: Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion.” It is notable that he does not recommend the use of the various manipulations that he describes.

 #33
AZBroker

Quote:
Originally Posted by SalesGuy
Rapport, can be defined as a "relation of mutual understanding or trust and agreement between people". In any relationship lacking this rapport what do you have? Nothing.
That's a valid point. Would it be too far of a strecht to say that when a relationship is having difficulties it can be be attributed to a lack of rapport?

 #34
SalesGuy

Quote:
Originally Posted by AZBroker
That's a valid point. Would it be too far of a strecht to say that when a relationship is having difficulties it can be be attributed to a lack of rapport?
I wouldn't call that too far of a stretch.

 #35
Agent Smith

Quote:
Originally Posted by SalesGuy
Rapport, can be defined as a "relation of mutual understanding or trust and agreement between people". In any relationship lacking this rapport what do you have? Nothing.
This is precisely why "Rapport" is so vital to personal selling.

 #36
Gary Boye
Leaving Webster Aside

Quote:
Originally Posted by SalesGuy
Rapport, can be defined as a "relation of mutual understanding or trust and agreement between people". In any relationship lacking this rapport what do you have? Nothing.
It certainly can be defined that way by personal preference according to one's functional beliefs. According to mine, rapport would equate more to harmony which could serve to open up lines of communication.

I have had rapport with people I did not trust, did not understand, and did not agree with. I can remember, for instance, a professional con artist I knew who fit that category who I genuinely liked.

We openly communicated--and we did business with real dollars. I was unscathed--I think because we had a mutually beneficial objective.

So--we did not have a relationship of rapport by your definition. But the fruits of the relationship were substantially more than nothing.

 #37
Agent Smith

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Boye
So--we did not have a relationship of rapport by your definition. But the fruits of the relationship were substantially more than nothing.
Would you agree that "Rapport" as defined by Salesguy is vital to personal selling?

 #38
Agent Smith

Quote:
Originally Posted by JacquesWerth
Manipulation is a tool that we all use in many different situations and circumstances. It is not dishonest unless it is used to deceive.
That's music to my ears. Well said.

 #39
SalesGuy

Gary, from your description it appears that you did in fact have a mutual understanding and agreement towards a common objective. Am I reading that wrong?

Agent Smith, perhaps "Vital" is too strong of a word. Might I suggest the word "Important" instead?

 #40
Gary Boye

[quote=SalesGuy]Gary, from your description it appears that you did in fact have a mutual understanding and agreement towards a common objective. Am I reading that wrong? QUOTE]


Good point. Yes--within the context of the specific endeavour, activity, partnership--whatever we would call it- an agreement (noun) and understanding (noun) existed. And--within those boundaries there was probably an element of mutual trust.

However in terms of general attitude towards the man, regardless of the fact that I liked him--I did not trust him as a person, understand the sociopathological behavour that defines a con artist, or agree with him on how we should treat our fellow man.

But your point is well taken. In my mind, I take the rapport (as you describe it) element out of the confines of a specific situation and apply it to my general feelings about a person. I am also aware that my short term relationship with the man put me at risk. Con artists prey on people who think they are smarter than them.



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